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Patrick George Molloy

By MaryA |
General Genealogy

Hi all, we are trying to keep our Help Desk going via email and requests for help to us from the Liverpool Library.  This is one that I'm a bit stumped with and hope you will be able to offer some suggestions.  I have asked Linda if she will join our forum so that in the event of any questions or results she will be able to retrieve them herself.  Just to mention that she has access to Ancestry.   Thank you all.

Below is a direct quote from the enquiry

Looking for - My great grandfather Patrick George Molloy

Born about 1891. Married Mary Jane Latham 25 Dec 1913 at St Nicholas Church, Liverpool. His father is called Patrick Joseph Molloy. He had two children Mary Eileen Molloy 4 Jan 1915 and George Patrick Molloy 29 Nov 1919. He lived at Highfield Street, Liverpool during the time of his marriage. His occupation was labourer as was his father’s.

I cannot find him on any census returns, although there are entries on electoral registers for 1919 – 1926 at Rothwell Street and I know that my family lived there so I assume that this is him, despite name stated as George Patrick Molloy. He could have used Patrick or George as his name. The family story is that he wanted to work on a plantation in India and my great grandmother Mary would not take the two young children abroad. My great grandmother remarried on 17 October 1933 declaring that she was a widow. I have been informed that there was an Uncle Vernon Molloy who I assume was his brother but I have not been able to link a Vernon to him.

I would love to know his birth details, where he was born and when? His date of death and country of death. If you could give me any guidance as to whether or not he might have gone to India, anything would be good. I have so little to work with and despite searching for many, many hours have not come up with anything conclusive.

I have used Ancestry records and tried looking through birth records, focusing on Liverpool and Ireland but his father has a very common name and I really only have the marriage certificate to work off. The family have not been able to provide a lot of information. I have been looking for a long time so any information or guidance as to where to look to get some accurate information would be really helpful.

Added by MaryA - The 1933 marriage of Mary Molloy to Denis Feeney is noted as West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended so possibly indicating an RC marriage, but not definite since the earlier of Mary Latham to Patrick George Molloy was at St Nicholas.

Connecting India and a Vernon Molloy, Vernon O'Brian Molloy died in Dartford, 1978, Vernon was born, 5 August, 1898, India.

Parents, Patrick Joseph Molloy, Alice Maud Mabel Wallace, Wallace is not recorded on Baptism records.

Patrick Molloy married Alice Wallace, 1888, India. Father, Thomas Molloy.

Patrick Joseph Molloy married again after Alice's death, marrying widow Mary Delaney, 1920, India.

Patrick George or George Patrick remains elusive, however a George Wallace Molloy was born to Patrick Joseph and Alice, 20 May, 1891, India, died, 1937 India. 

I think it might be worth investigating if George Wallace Molloy became George Patrick Molloy?

Thanks Bert.  I have quite a lot of information about Vernon and the Molloy family in India.  I just haven't been able to link my great grandfather to them.  He could possibly be George Wallace Molloy and taken on a change of name when he came to England, although I'm not sure why he would do that.   They were born in same year 1891 which is another coincidence.  Perhaps when the 1921 cencus return comes out I'll get a place of birth which would be really helpful.  

Wow I knew I was right to recommend her to join the forum, brilliant thanks Bert!  Linda has joined and I trust she will answer herself.

I lean towards George being his preferred name, apart from at his marriage, it appears on more records.

Is it used as first name on the childrens birth certificates?

From FIBIS (https://search.fibis.org/) database:

George Wallace Molloy buried St Joseph's church Lucknow 1937; occupation tailor. Entry Ref No SJD1526; Photo Ref No P1020199 - a  photograph of the grave can be obtained as follows:

Malcolm Speirs
To request a copy of a photograph, which will contain further detail, please contact Malcolm at ianmalcolmspeirs@btinternet.com and quote to him from the results page:

* The Reference Number
* The number of the film
* The full name of the Person of interest
* Your FIBIS Membership Number (if current) or 'Non-Member'

and he will handle the matter with you from then on.