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Jump ancestors pre-1800?

By GrahamJ |
General Genealogy

Hi All

This is my first post to LSWLFHS, so hoping for great things!

I am researching my direct 'JUMP' ancestors in the Liverpool & Lancashire area. I have now arrived pre-1800 when of course things get a lot harder.

The earliest documented record I have is a marriage record for John Jump, husbandman, to Mary Wright on (Monday!) 10th October 1796 at St Mary's Walton-on-the-Hill, after banns on 25th Sep and 2nd & 9th October. The witness is a Thomas Wright (possibly a relation of Mary). Apart from the vicar's name, Henry Heathcote, there is no other information on the microfiche. (I have googled the rectors/vicars of this church and the notes about the Heathcotes are fascinating in themselves - https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol3/pp5-11)

I am now therefore looking, in online parish records, where I can find them, for possible births of a John Jump, probably pre-1780, somewhere in the vicinity of St Marys Walton-on-the-Hill, but possibly further afield. I currently have only found three favourite possibilities online (LAN-OPC): Prescot 1770, Formby 1774 & Croston 1772. There are others too, ie a son of a ropemaker (almost certainly married later as a ropemaker) and a son of a tallow chandler (not found a marriage but in terms of probabilities I'm assuming he didn't become a husbandman!). There's also a Baptism: John Jump 24 Jul 1782 St Andrew, Maghull, but that would make him 14 at marriage (I know it was technically legal, but again, probabilities . . .)

There are of course some courageous family trees on Ancestry claiming the Croston one is correct but I have had no responses from the owners to back this up with any evidence.

I guess there could be banns records for St Mary's at the records office, but I won't be getting there anytime soon (I'm in the south-east now), and they might not add anything about his parents.

Anybody got any views of anything else I could be doing online - even if only to reassure me that there isn't!

Cheers, Graham

Hi and welcome.  It's very difficult online for those dates.  The name Jump rang bells with me and I believe I've come across it in Parish Records for Childwall, All Saints, so that might be another place to consider, unfortunately the only Register I have for there is for dates between 1681 and 1753.  I'm not sure that the later Film has been put online.  Just checked Ancestry and it doesn't seem to be listed in the early Registers.

There doesn't seem to be any burials at St Mary's Walton on the Hill for the name Jump, so presumably they didn't live in the vicinity of the church itself, but perhaps further away.

Have you checked for Wills? I've often found that checking them might give a clue, not just for the names of interest, but others might mention them.  There is quite a list in Lancashire https://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm These are available at Lancashire Record Office, unfortunately in Preston, or very likely at the Cheshire Archives also.  They do have a look up and photograph facility but won't be cheap, however, perhaps it will be cheaper than a visit at present.

There aren't always Banns available, sometimes not deposited with the Record Office, or simply not kept by the Church, and at that date the marriage record doesn't have any additional information.

Thanks Mary. Yes, I have several descendants of John in Childwall, and LAN-OPC has Jumps all over Lancashire - the issue is connecting them! Thanks for the wills tip/link - I'm slowly getting my head round other sources beyond BMDs.

Cheers, Graham