Can you give us some more information, such as the 1891 census details, and where she was baptised - ie CofE or RC?

Only record I can see is a Mary E Teasdale died Jun 1892 in Gateshead aged 45, putting her DOB as 1847.

I think it's possible a mistake has been made, the below marriage has Margaret Elizabeth Tisdale with a father James Fearon, Mariner.

I can't find a previous marriage for Margaret Elizabeth Fearon to a Tisdale or variations of the name, I'm thinking this is Mary Elizabeth Tisdale/Fearon.

1901 census

9 Vernon Grove

Henry Dorricott33Elizabeth Dorricott23Susan Dorricott2Mary E Ellis55Jane Tisdale16

Great work as ever Bert. That leads to the death of a Margaret Ellis in Dec 1895 aged 50, giving a DOB of 1844. Another possibility?

John,

I think the name Margaret was a mistake and she never carried the name forward, hence her appearing on the 1901 census as Mary E Ellis. posted above.

Workhouse death, can anyone look, if the Workhouse  records have been transcribed elsewhere.

Name:Mary EllisAge:62Record Type:BurialBirth Date:abt 1845Death Date:abt 1907Burial Date:14 Nov 1907Burial Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, EnglandCemetery Section:Church of England

Thanks John,

Perhaps another kind soul will have.

Find My Past has an image of a PDF but unfortunately I don't have a subscription at the moment.

All data is Crown Copyright, from National Archives

Name:Mary EllisAge:62Record Type:BurialBirth Date:abt 1845Death Date:abt 1907Burial Date:14 Nov 1907Burial Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, EnglandCemetery Section:Church of England

Send me a message, tell me where you found this Bert, I haven't been able to. 

Sent,

Either message system isn't working or it's taking for ever to get through.  Can you send it email please?

Speckled Jim in flight

Thanks, but there's nothing in the Workhouse Registers relating to that date.  I'm going to have to check quite a long list of entries with the same name all in Liverpool, which I don't have time to do this evening, but will trawl down them tomorrow.  Problem is we aren't going to be too sure what address she's entered from, I wonder if the 16 year old Jane Tisdale might be someone worth searching for, in case they both went in together?  Have to leave it with me and I'll get back to you asap.

Thanks Mary,

Hoping for an address and go from there.

Keltis,

If you click on the marriage certificate image, it will expand and better to view.

I know exactly who you are looking for and I will try to offer a more detailed explanation.

The marriage between James Henry Ellis and Margaret Elizabeth Tisdale, the brides name has been entered incorrectly.

I suspect by mistake rather than given deliberately.

It should read Mary Elizabeth Tisdale, her father given as James Fearon, Mariner, makes her, nee Fearon.

Further proof, there was never a marriage between a Margaret Elizabeth Fearon and a Tisdale or variations of the name, therefore, Margaret Elizabeth Fearon/Tisdale never existed.

The 1901 census has Mary E Ellis living with the Dorricott family and Jane Tisdale.

Elizabeth Dorricott. nee Tisdale, Father, John Tisdale, Butcher, is the daughter.

Jane Tisdale later married William Rowland, 1912 Liverpool, Father, John Tisdale, Butcher, is the daughter.

Mary E Ellis, nee Fearon, formally Tisdale living with 2 daughters, 1901.

There was a Mary Ellis died 1907, born 1845, died in the Workhouse, it may have been in the infirmary.

When Mary checks, hopefully we will find out who she is.

The above is the very reason you can't find a death for a Mary Elizabeth Tisdale, the name ceased to exist after she married James Henry Ellis.

Looking at years post 1901 and then worked forward with birth date 1845 +-/ 2 years and place Liverpool, also place West Derby, the only adult was admitted in February 1901 and died later the same month.  Other Mary Ellises were children and admitted with siblings, also died.

Also thought I'd try Margaret in case she used to switch between names, but the only one was born there.

I'm baffled, no death for 1907.

Got it!!!

Number 1101 Date of Entry and Admission 7th November 1907 Ellis Mary aged 65, From Whence Admitted 59 Rose Place, Religion CE, Name of Informant Self, Name and Address of nearest relative Mrs Ellis same, Location of Pauper 9, Discharged or Died 10th November 1907, From what Ward Discharged 9, Remarks Died.

Sorry unless you can connect Rose Place there would be no definitive answer.

Thanks Mary.

1907

Joseph Ellis, 59 Rose Place.

Mary Ellis, 59 Rose Place,(Ground Floor Front)

The above is likely to be husband and wife or son and mother, been at Rose Pl from at least the 81 census.

As for James Henry Ellis, his first wife was Alice Laithwood, lived in Duckinfield Street with family, 1891 census.

Alice died, December Qtr, 1891, buried at Walton, Duckinfield St.

OK something I forgot to check up on

Liverpool Workhouse 1/5/1906

Jane Tisdale 22 CofE, S Factory Hand, Admitted by Med Supt (Nurse M.J. King) Parish from which sent Everton, Disease Labour, Admitted 13 December 1906, Discharged 7 January 1907, Ward A3, 12 Shakespeare Street, Everton, Address of Friends Mother Mary Elizth Ellis S/A

William Tisdale CofE, son of Jane, a S Factory Hand, (nurse M.J. King)  Admitted 13 December 1906 with Mother, Discharged 7 January 1907, Ward A3, Born in A3 Ward at 4.20 pm, Address of Friends Grandmother Mary Elizth Ellis S/A 12 Shakespeare Street, Everton.

Well!!!

1911 at 21 Copeland Street, Everton

William Rowland, Head 40 M General Labourer, Oil Cake Mill

Jane Wife 26 Married 5 years married, 3 children born, 3 still living

William son 4 

Joseph son 2

J???? son 1/2 year

Mrs Emma Ellis Mother in Law, Lodger 57, Widow No Occupation

All born Liverpool

Looked on GRO website, the little one would be John Tisdale Rowland  1910  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 498

Well done Mary,

Lived together before they married, looks like someone liked to change her name.

Workhouse record nails it for me.

Despite her claim of 57 years old in 1911, I think this death is nearer the mark.

I think you need to check Anfield or West Derby for the 1912 one.

or possibly

This second one is buried in Walton, address 22 Gondover Avenue, Walton on 16th August Grave No 33AD which I believe is a private grave.

You can check familysearch.org for West Derby Burial Register for 1912, for December quarter work backwards from Page 655, I'll leave that to you since it's very popular and you can search the quarter at your leisure.  https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/405467?availability=Family%…

Sorry the Anfield ones aren't online.  If you find you can't access the familysearch.org film for West Derby then you aren't logged in, and if you don't have an account with them, then you need to get one, it's free.

You can also check through the Anfield transcriptions, here http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ormandy/history/page2.html

1912, Ford Catholic Burial. 216 Westminster Rd

1915, Mary Edith Ellis, 22 Gondover Ave

We're none the wiser following these results are we?

Possible,

Name:Mary E EllisAge:69Record Type:BurialBirth Date:abt 1846Death Date:abt 1915Burial Date:23 Apr 1915Burial Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, EnglandCemetery Section:Church of England

Her full name, Mary Elizabeth Ellis, GRO.

Burial address, 6 Phoebe Ann Street, this address is close to West Derby Workhouse and close to Shakespeare St, her last known address, Workhouse records.

Everton Cemetery

In the event any of these names are in your tree, Keltis,

Electoral Roll,

George Whatling, 12 Shakespeare St, 1904-1908

Robert Wilson, 6 Phoebe Ann St, 1914 till after 39 Register.

I hope you aren't being denied access now we are using this new forum.  Please let me know if so since we have spent a lot of time putting this in place to resolve that matter.