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Mary Newton married in Liverpool

By adesso |
General Genealogy

Hello

My 4 x Scottish great grandparents were married in Liverpool in 1815. George Murray from Eccles in Berwickshire whom I have traced through many generations back to the Scottish Borders and Mary Newton from Edinburgh. It’s Mary I can get no further back with. I think they were married in Holy Trinity Liverpool in 1815. One of their sons, George Murray, born  in Liverpool in 1825,  is my 3 x great grandad. Any assistance is much appreciated! It’s Mary Newton’s family back in Edinburgh I’m interested in. Thank you.

Regards

David 

 

I assume you have these children below, you will notice 2 of them have been given as a middle name what appears to be a surname. A Scottish tradition is  to give a child the surname of parents or grandparents. Perhaps this marriage is worthy of investigation.

 

John Newton/Mary Pentland, 1769, Canongate.

 

Baptism: 18 Jun 1820 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Stephen Murray - [Child] of George Murray & Mary
    Abode: Finch Street
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1820 - 1821, Page 24, Entry 190
    Source: LDS Film 1656418

Baptism: 4 Jul 1824 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Henry Murray - [Child] of George Murray & Mary
    Abode: Dance Street
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 309, Entry 2461
    Source: LDS Film 1656418

Baptism: 4 Jul 1824 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Murray - [Child] of George Murray & Mary
    Abode: Dance Street
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 309, Entry 2462
    Source: LDS Film 1656418

Baptism: 26 Feb 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Newton Murray - [Child] of George Murray & Mary
    Abode: Trowbridge St.
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: Thomas Johnson Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1827, Page 150, Entry 1196
    Source: LDS Film 1656419

Baptism: 10 May 1829 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert Pentland Murray - [Child] of George Murray & Mary
    Abode: Trowbridge Street
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: P. Bulmer, Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1829, Page 314, Entry 2509
    Source: LDS Film 93877

Below are the children born to John Newton/Mary Pentland, the top one I'm sure is a transcription error, there wasn't a marriage between those 2 names, I'll look into it more. Mary below is too young to be the one who married George Murray, I suspect John Newton, Bn 1770 is possibly the father of Mary Newton, Bn, 1793 ish.

 

 

 

NEWTON

JOHN

JOHN NEWTON/MARY BAINTLAND FR2817 (FR2817)

M

23/12/1770

685 / 3

90 / 328

CANONGATE

  

NEWTON

ANN

JOHN NEWTON/MARY PENTLAND FR2933 (FR2933)

F

29/11/1779

685 / 3

100 / 71

CANONGATE

  

NEWTON

MARY

JOHN NEWTON/MARY PENTLAND FR2913 (FR2913)

F

04/10/1777

685 / 3

100 / 30

CANONGATE

My George Murray was a joiner journeyman and is on 1851 census living in Everton with wife Mary. States he was born in Scotland and she in Edinburgh. I was born in  London  and live in Hampshire so I don’t know much about Liverpool. Was the city drawing large numbers of Scots for work? Stephen Murray was one of their sons and George Murray as well ( my 3 x great grandad ) who went on to marry Elisabeth Basnett.

regards

David 

Their daughter was Eleanor Murray who was married to Henry Sutcliffe whose daughter was Florence Mary Sutcliffe( my great grandma)

I also found Elisabeth Newton Murray b 1815

One year after George Murray and Mary Newton married

Name: Mary Pentland
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1769
Marriage Place: Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: John Pentland
Spouse: John Newton

 

I'm convinced this is the correct family the children are named after, unfortunately I can't be sure who the parents are for Mary Newton who married George Murray.

To crack this one I think some credits will have to be got from Scotland's People.

John Newton and Mary Pentland married 1769. Familysearch says Mary’s parents were John Pentland and Elizabeth Dewar.

It's very likely the correct marriage, however I would get Mary Newton sorted first before I moved on. At least the marriage of John Newton, born to John Newton and Mary Baintland ( error?)

Yes

its strange there’s nothing for Mary Newton but I would guess John Newton 1770 is possibly her father.

regards

Bert 

I found this but birth place is Leith. Leith south also in Edinburgh. Mile and a half from Canongate. Found search result on Scotlands people site.

David,

 

What you have to take into account regarding ages, 1841 census, ages were rounded down for over 15s, if the enumerator followed instructions correctly, which they  never always did.  The rounding down was to the nearest 0 or 5, example, a 24 year old was rounded down to 20. Mary being 45 on the census could be between 45 and 49.

As far as marriages go, don't expect a marriage to take place where they were born, especially the groom, traditionally a marriage took place in the brides parish, if she lived in a different parish.

Mary Ann? Follow her and see if she leads elsewhere other than George, process of elimination.