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Grace Hare marriage WWI soldier James Murphy in St. Mary in Kirkdale in Liverpool Lancaster june 22 1919 . Need her wedding from churc book

By bjornlokken |
General Genealogy

 

Dear Sir / Mrs . / Miss

My name is Bjørn Løkken from Trondheim in Norway . Doing genealogy for some years , and working with a complex case , and wonder if sombody can help me in the Walton - On - The Hill Parish - Liverpool - West Derby - Lanchashire area .

Grace Hare was born june 3 in 1901 in Kirkdale Township , Walton - on - the Hill Parish in Lancaster County in Liverpool . Her parents was John and Mary Jane Hare Nr . 3713 down on the right side in the church book https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-896J-Q9H4-T

Grace Hare got marriage on the june 22 in 1919 with the WWI soldier James Murphy in St. Mary in Kirkdale in Liverpool Lancaster . James Murphy was born in New Foundland in Canada i 1896 , and he was wounded by a gun shot i the battle in the Arras Forrest in France , and had to amputed his left arm . James Murphy was in hospital in Liverpool for a while , and he has been A.W.L ( awol ) several times and we wonder if he could have get to know Grace Hare on one or more such occasions or whether Grace Hare could have worked as an assistant at the hospital where James Murphy was admitted as a patient in Liverpool .

Can someone please help me to find Grace Hare's and James Murphy's wedding and marriage introduction in the church books / register for St. Marys church ?

From Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/4137422:9852

Name: Grace Hare Gender: Female Marital Status: SingleAge: 21 Birth Date: 1898 Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1919 Marriage Place: St. Mary, Kirkdale, Lancaster, England Father: John Hare Spouse: James Murphy FHL Film Number: 1545944 Reference ID: Item 3 Page 32

It will be very appricated 

Best regards from Bjørn Løkken 

Hello Bjørn 

I will look up the marriage certificate hopefully tomorrow, but if you click on James Murphy's name on Ancestry you will see his details - 

Name James Murphy, male, Single, Age 23, born 1896, marriage date 22 June 1919, St Mary, Kirkdale, father William Murphy, Spouse Grace Hare, reference 1545944 Reference Item 3 Page 32.

The marriage entry in the Register will give you little more than this, but hopefully the addition of the occupation, but perhaps you might like the image from the certificate if it's possible to get it.

 

 

Dear Mary ....thank you for responding 

I do have all the info and details about J Murphy from Ancestry . 

What i do need is their Marriage image ( The certificate - Licence ) from the churchbook  

It will be very appricated 

Hugs from Bjørn in Norway 

Dear Mary 

Just awesome . Thank you so much . I appricate it very much . As we say in Norway " i own  you one " you got my mail adress so just let me know if i can do anything for you sometimes in future  if you are ending up in Norway sometime , most of the sources are online in Norway . 

I take the opportunity to move on with the now former soldier James Murphy. After Grace Hare and James Murphy returned to New Foundland in Canada, they were either divorced or agreed to go their separate ways. We have sent a request to the archives of New Foundland to see if there is a formal divorce between the two. We know that 19-year-old Grace, who came from poor conditions in Liverpool, was looking for James Murphy's money. His military documents state, among other things, the following; this patient has a very low intelligence ......

Greeen handwritten fonts  .     From page 1391  .      https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61084/images/b6510-s03…

James Murphy was shot in the wrist so that he had to amputate his left arm, but we also believe that he could have shot himself in the hand to avoid active service in Europe.

After Grace and James Murphy separated in Newfoundland, Canada, James Murphy returned to Liverpool where he arrived on December 31, 1919. So it was a short marriage with Grace Hare this.

James Murphy arriwal in Liverpool Nr 727 in the manifest                          https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/1518/images/30807_A000…

James Murphy was born on February 25, 1896 in St John's, Newfoundland, Canada. His parents were; William Murphy (1864-1922) and Esther Anne Tobin (1870-1943)     https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/173103947/person/29225…

In James Murphy's ship list when he arrives in Liverpool on 31 December 1919 you will see that he entered the address 225 Fountain Road in Kirkdale in Liverpool, James Murphy had to give an address in the ship manifest, and this was the only address he knew in Liverpool for this was where Grace's parents lived.

During the year 1920 in Liverpool, most likely in Kirkdale, James Murphy got married a second time to Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait. She was born on 20 May 1894 in Liverpool, and her parents were James Tait (1856 - 1942) and Janet (Jessie) Waugh (1859 - 1944).

In the family tree from Ancestry that I post below , the person that own this tree - posted the wrong James Murphy, so you have to ignore this James Murphy who is said to have been born in Liverpool   https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/175293108/person/32227…

Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait was first married to John Adamas Stanley Gee (1889 - 1919)

James Murphy and Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait in  England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005   https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8753/images/ons_m19613…

James Murphy and Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait in 1939 England and Wales Register in line Nr . 33   https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61596/images/tna_r39_4…

And then my question comes to you dear Mary A.

Is it possible to find this  marriage, and both of them , their second  marriages between James Murphy and Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait in 1920 in Liverpool, and then most likely in the Kirkdale area?

This wedding is very important for me to find in order to fill the gaps in the story of James Murphy , and and then preferably as a clip - image - image from the church book as you found regarding the wedding between Grace Hare and James Murphy

It will be very appricated , the very best regards from your new friend in Norway ; Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken ( it's my fully name ) 

 

 

Dealing with this marriage in 1920,  you may not have used this site before 

http://lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Many Liverpool (and Lancashire) marriages are listed on this site, including James Murphy to Irena E Gee in 1920.  If a marriage took place in a  Church of England Church then the name of it will be listed.  Unfortunately with this one it is given as "West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended".  There are two reasons for this description, one is that the marriage took place in either a Roman Catholic or Non Conformist Church where the Registrar had to attend as opposed to a C of E Vicar being able to register the marriage.  The other reason might be, and I think this is very likely given both the date and the possibility of a previous divorce, that the marriage took place in the Register Office.  

In either of the above cases (and I have checked the available RC Registers) your only solution will be to order the marriage certificate, the easiest and cheapest way being online at the General Register Office, just make a free account.

The details that you need are to be found on https://freebmd.org.uk/

Marriages Sep 1920

Gee  Irene E  Murphy  W.Derby  8b 1476
Murphy  James  Gee  W.Derby  8b 1476

This will cost £11.50 sterling but as you are able to do this online I believe the conversion will be done on the site and the certificate will be posted to you.

Unfortunately the marriage of Irene Tait to John Gee in 1911 also took place in St Marys, Kirkdale, which as you know is not available online, the Banns however were also called at Emmanuel, Fazakerley which was John's parish churh.  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2197/images/engl5617…

Dear Mary A 

Had to ask . Could it be possible to find any news clip  around and about their marriage in old local newspaper for Kirkdale - Liverpool in connection with the marriage to Grace Hare and James Murphy wedding june 22 in 1919 og James Murphy and  Irene Elizabeth Waugh Tait Gee in sept 1920 . 

For old America'n newspaper they use Newspaper.com 

Best regards from Bjørn in Trondheim Norway 

Yes, just to confirm what Mary says, I've found absolutely nothing in the newspapers for either wedding using all the various names.

Mary A and Andy J 

Thank you so much for your willingness to help and for all the help you have been given to me . It's very apricated .

Best regards from Bjørn in Norway