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Emma Baikie Fergus

By John O |
General Genealogy

Hi folks, I could do with a fresh pair of eyes please.

The above lady, Emma Baikie Fergus born c 1864 is on the 1871 English census 

ED, institution, or vessel

29
Household schedule number 152
Piece 3759
Folio 109
Page number 28
Household Members 5

living with her parents Robert and Maria Fergus and 2 other children, James and Robert in Hornby Street Court. The family in 1881 (if  I have the correct family) are living at 17 Orlando Street with one extra child, Arabella. There were also 2 children, Mary Eleanor and Lilian May Fergus born in 1872 and 1874, both dying in 1876.

I have used GRO to cross reference all of the children, but cannot find any entry for Emma, who was born in London, or any other information apart from that census.

Another sticky point is that the parents I have, Robert Fergus and Maria Loutitt Scarth, both from Scotland, are showing as only marrying in Walton in 1875. I have had a look at FreeBMD but cannot find an earlier marriage, and also cannot find an entry on Scotlands People, LancsOPC or Familysearch

The name Baikie is a surname, as a lot of the Fergus, Baikie and Scarth families originated in the Orkney isles.

Many thanks, John

 

 

Sorry no results from me but I have come across many a marriage that took place a few years after the children were born, however in this instance, particularly with no reference in the birth indexes and also the much earlier date than the others, I know it's only four years, but that combined with the location of the birth makes me wonder if she was not the child of one or even both of them?

Thanks Mary, I am beginning to think the same. I take your point about birth before marriage, and the other thing being that a lot of the families had the mother's maiden name as the middle name, so maybe her mother was a Baikie rather than Scarth, which is Maria's maiden name.

Maybe they also adopted her and added Fergus on to the end. 

John,

I would look around this family, 1861 census, RG9, P224, F116, P7.

William B (Baikie) Scarth, 26

Mary Scarth, nee Smith 26

William P (Patteson) Scarth, Born, London, 11 months.

Later another son born London and the family lived in Liverpool later on.

William and Mary married Edinburgh, 1855.

Another possible to throw in to the mix, John Baikie Scarth, brother of William and Maria Loutitt Scarth.

JBS married Catherine Peat Jennings, 1861 census, Shoreditch, London.

To keep on file, Emma Jane Scarth, 1863, Shoreditch, no mothers maiden name, GRO.

Wondering if some sort of mistake made when registering the birth.

 

Thanks again Bert.

John Baikie Scarth is brother to William Baikie Scarth. I have the marriage in Stepney 1855, and the birth of John Thomas Peat Jennings Linklater Scarth (!) in 1855.

I wonder if Emma Jane is one and the same and Robert Fergus and Maria Loutith Scarth took her in?

Hi Bert,

Many thanks for that, I have that family in my tree, but need to do more digging around. According to the 1911 census and living in Dovecot cottage (where many of the family were over the years), it states he has been married 20 years and has 2 children born and 2 still alive, even though there are 3 names on the census, one being his son Frank Dugdale from a previous marriage.

The tree for him is complicated as it looks like he had 3 wives. Mary is the first, as shown in the 1861 return. Married 1855 in Edinburgh which makes sense as she was born in Leith. They had 4 children Grace Linklater, May Lough, William Pattinson and John Jennings.  I have no death record but on 1st August 1882 he marries Elizabeth Ann Beynon in Liverpool. They had 3 children, Elizabeth Isabella, Emily Grace and Frank Dugdale. Elizabeth Ann died at Dovecot cottage in Nov 1889.

On Christmas Day 1890 he married Sarah Jane Beynon, sister to Elizabeth Ann in Liverpool and had Harold Linklater and Ronald Stuart, the 2 youngest on the 1911 return. 

William Baikie's parents were John Stuart Scarth and May Linklater.

Emily Baikie must tie in somewhere along that lineage, just got to join the dots!

 

 

I wonder if Emma Jane is one and the same and Robert Fergus and Maria Loutith Scarth took her in?

I'd be tempted to get the birth cert, the link being Shoreditch, birth reg and census. It's possible a mistake has been made, also possible another female relative. 

I'm thinking, was Maria married or associated with John Baikie previous to Robert and had the 2 children baptised together.

Hi Bert, many thanks for the clip of the baptismal records.

I did have the record for James Linklater in my tree, but that has actually helped me, as I must have the wrong Robert Fergus. The one in my tree who I have married to Maria Loutith Scarth shows in a few census returns as a dock labourer or cotton labourer, whereas the Robert in the snip is a solicitor. 

The Baikie and Fergus families are linked.  One of them (will have to look through) was a captain in the 1800's so need to try and find a link.

The thing that I am struggling with is a marriage for John Baikie and Maria, parents of Emma Jane in your snip. I have looked on FreeBMD. I do not have a John Baikie in my tree at the moment so need to get his details and add him.

Thanks again Bert, you are a mine of information!

John

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John O

3 years 4 months ago

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Thanks again Bert, that helps also.

I have a couple of Baikie and Scarth family members who ended up in Cook County, Illinois. One was John Scarth Baikie, who married Annie Gauger in Cook in 1884, arriving in 1876 and being in the 1871 Scottish census in Orkney as a grandson. I don't have a father's name, but I have the  mother as Mary Susana Scarth.

Checking the tree, it was John Stuart Scarth who was a captain. He married |May Linklater and 3 of the children have Baikie as a middle name.

I did have the record for James Linklater in my tree, but that has actually helped me, as I must have the wrong Robert Fergus. The one in my tree who I have married to Maria Loutith Scarth shows in a few census returns as a dock labourer or cotton labourer, whereas the Robert in the snip is a solicitor. 

I think what you have is a docker with a sense of humour. 

The thing that I am struggling with is a marriage for John Baikie and Maria, parents of Emma Jane in your snip. I have looked on FreeBMD. I do not have a John Baikie in my tree at the moment so need to get his details and add him.

Perhaps no marriage, the very reason the Shoreditch birth reg has no mothers maiden name, even though she knew the father and why he is mentioned at the baptism. It seems Emma Jane has carried her surname Baikie the rest of her life.