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AndyG
Rodgers family in mid nineteenth century Liverpool

Hello,

I am investigating a family with the surname Rodgers involved in Liverpool in the 1860-1880 period.On the wedding certificate,when William Rodgers married widow Jane Maguire(nee Lambert) at St Lukes Church in 1869,he was described as a mariner and his father,Geoffrey,as a shipbuilder.Their address was Hawke Street,LIverpool.I do appreciate how many marine employeees or entrepreneurs there were in the City at that time.......

It seems likely that William had met Jane while involved in cross Irish Sea trade,as she lived in Dublin and her father was described as a mercantile clerk.Their daughter,Madeline,was born in 1871 in Paddington,London which,while a way away from the London docklands and the Thames,was central to Londons canal network.Interestingly,the 1871 Census was conducted very shortly after Madeline's birth,and place the baby and Jane at a convalescent house in Ramsgate Kent.There is no trace of William at that time...

I am seeking information about the area of Hawke Street at that time,to try to gain some idea of their status.I see St Lukes was a significant church....

I am also seeking any knowledge of the economic activities of the Rodgers family,to see whether my ideas are valid.

Jane Lambert was my wifes great great grandmother...her great grandmother was Sarah Maguire,but I can find no records of her from 1862 until her marriage in Chorlton on Medlock in 1889,and ,as she was only nine at time of Janes second marriage,information about the Rodgers may inform my search for Sarah.

All help,advice or guidance would be very appreciated,

Many thanks,

AndyG

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Andy,

 

Hawke Street was a mix of Houses and Courts, Electoral Roll 1869/71 and 1911 census, which will give you a flavour of property size.

 

27 Hawke Street was the home of Samuel Rowe, Coachbuilder and his family at the time of William's marriage, Perhaps the address was used to marry in the Parish?

Bert

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I couldn't find the 1871 census on Anc, for others who can't. Now Found

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MaryA
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Hi and welcome to the forum.  St Lukes church is indeed a landmark in Liverpool, known locally as the "Bombed Out Church" which is now a monument to the blitz and those who fell in it.

Just a couple of suggestions, could it be that she travelled with her future husband, I'm wondering whether checking with Watermen records might prove useful, there is a website linked to the Ormskirk FHS site http://www.boatfamilies.website/ that might give you some background.

The Manchester & Lancashire FHS might also prove useful for the area of Chorlton.

 

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bertieone

The 2 records William Rodgers appears on, he is recorded as Mariner and Seaman, it's unlikely a Boatman would be recorded this way.

 

There isn't a recorded death for a Geoffrey/Jeffery Rodgers in England and Wales 1837/1920. It may suggest though William was married here, he was not a native of Liverpool.

Bert

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There is a G Rodgers Death at Sea, 1923.  Here is the reference for the National Archives, if you are quick you may be able to download it for free before lockdown ends.

Archive reference BT 334
Box 0078
Archive

The National Archives

Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials

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There is also an entry in the Divorce Index for a G B Rodgers 

Petition year 1892
Party number 3

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AndyG

Thank you all for your responses to my initial query.I shall endeavour to follow up some of the links and suggestions.

The Maguire's and their associated families seem quite elusive and always seem to have more questions than answers.....From your feedbacks,I am especially intrigued by the concept that neither Jane Maguire or William Rodgers seem to have lived at the address given on their wedding certificate and perhaps used it to be able to marry at St Luke's...I thought banns were read some weeks in advance of a ceremony in the parish church of the couple.Actually,in 1889,Sarah Maguire was married in Chorlton on Medlock,both she and her spouse to be gave the same address in Chorlton prior to their marriage,so perhaps this was common practice?
The fact that both William and his father Geoffrey seem difficult to trace,and indeed,as has been speculated,may not have been from Liverpool,further complicates my situation.It does make me ponder on the birth of Madeline,as I had assumed that the family were all together in Paddington,and William is indeed not present only a couple of weeks later when Jane and her baby were in Ramsgate.

However,I am grateful for your interest,time and advice....

Regards,

Andy G

 

MaryA
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Your thinking is correct about addresses of convenience.  If both bride and groom lived in the parish of their marriage it meant that only one set of Banns had to be called - and paid for! 

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bertieone

If one or both lodged at 27 Hawke Street, it would be very difficult to prove. However I would favour Jane if any. The 1871 census has Jane recorded as a Medical Nurse, Hawke Street is off Brownlow Hill, close to Liverpool Workhouse. If any infirmary staff records exist, perhaps a possibility, Jane may show.

 

Not being able to find any suitable records for Geoffrey Rodgers in UK records makes me wonder if he existed, not uncommon for fathers names to be invented rather than leave blank on marriage certificate. I suspect Jane was in Ramsgate because that was where William was from.

 

Did Jane die and that is the reason Madeline came back North and is Living with John Cage and family, 1881? 

Madeline's birth certificate, Addresses and informant?

Bert