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lynne99
My Harrison family. c 1800 to 1850

Hi, I have a mix up with this family.  My 3 x Great grandfather was Thomas Harrison b Oct 1771 Liverpool and his wife Ellen Prescot b 1768 in Kirkby.  I have their marriage in 1792 at St Mary in Walton (or a chapel of it ).  I know of 10 children, but the first 2 I have no details of.  apart from their names and dob  They are Elizabeth 1793 and margaret 1795.

There is one other problem, their son,  James harrison b c 1806  (Lancs OPC).  On the 1841 census, Thomas and Ellen are living in Eaton St (off Vauxhall Rd) with James Harrison aged 38 and Eliz aged 14, Ed aged 10 and Jane aged 6  All born in county.  Next door but 1 to them is my great x 2 grand parents Rd and Mary and their family.  Piece:557 Book:13 Folio:34 Page Number:23

I presumed (not a good thing to do) that the James with Thomas and Ellen was their son and the children their grandchildren..  I can only find 1 marriage and no births for the 3 children.  The marriage was 7 Oct 1822 to Elizabeth Joynson , but she is on the 1841 census , in Liverpool, West Derby, with her family  Piece:568 Book:22 Folio:65 Page Number:14 (Lower Granby St on back??)

My James cannot be in 2 places at once.  I have 2 DNA matches that have this marriage for James Harrison. s/o Thomas and Ellen.  The surname Joynson has been carried forward as a middle name.   I think there must be some connection, but I know not what.

Please can skp help me past this muddle.  Thanks in anticipation     Lynne

bertieone

Sorry Lynne,

I'll file this under Failed miserably, I hope others do better for you.

Bert

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I too have been looking around without success.  

My James cannot be in 2 places at once. 

I beg to differ, so many errors have been made, perhaps he was staying with a friend/relative on the night in question and was correctly enumerated there, but also at home where he might have been expected to be.

I believe it was quite rare for children not to be baptised into a parish - they might have called for Parish Relief at some point so it would have been necessary for the baptism to have welcomed them into the Parish, so I'm imagining that they might have taken place in a church that has not been digitised.  Might be a good idea to use genuki and try to identify a short list of churches that they might have used, even while moving around, and double check whether those registers are online, if not check with the library catalogue where they should be listed but only available in the Archives perhaps?

Again whether are  there any Parish documents available  for the close Parishes, these might include any requests for Parish Relief, etc.

Not so straightforward with a fairly common surname, but perhaps check for any Wills, not just for those people you are aware of, but also any that might be relatives and so might have mentioned your direct ancestors, when I didn't think there was a Will, just reading one solved a major problem in my research, all avenues you know .....

Prior to 1858 https://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm

MaryA

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lynne99

Thanks Mary, I will look at the things you mentioned.  On the 1841 census the James with Thomas and Ellen was a labourer  and the other one a Tallow Chandler.  Was that a posh job?  

Bertieone ...  that cannot be the case , but thanks for trying.

MaryA
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Tallow chandler sells candles, possibly makes them also.  The occupation could encompass other activities but they don't come to mind.

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lynne99

Looked for wills and found none .  Never mind hey.  James was on 1881 census (I think) In Grafton Street,  Wife Elizabeth and job  engine driver. Birth 1799 not 1806.  If this is him, I have his death the following year burried Anfield.  The only other census that I find suitable is 1851 as an unmarried, Night soilman , lodger in Paul Street.    The supposed marriage to Elizabeth Joynson was in 1822.  So not sure this is him.  Can't find any 1861 or 71 census suitable.  

If I could use your eyes to help with census and deaths that would be great.  Thanks 

 

bertieone

Lynne,

The 1881 census and burial you mention, Helen or Ellen on the census died in 1917 and is buried in the same grave as James, Anfield, 3 137.

Margaret Coffee also on the 1881 census is mentioned in Helen's probate, Margaret Joynson Coffee, a connection to Elizabeth Joynson?

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Bert

bertieone

COFFEEMatthew H, HARRISON Margaret J,1872Toxteth Park, St. MichaelLiverpool

Bert

bertieone

1871, Back Grafton St, Engineer?

Name:James HarrisonAge:72Estimated Birth Year:1799Relation:HeadGender:MaleWhere born:LiverpoolCivil parish:ToxtethEcclesiastical parish:St ThomasTown:LiverpoolCounty/Island:LancashireCountry:EnglandRegistration district:West DerbySub-registration district:Toxteth ParkED, institution, or vessel:25Household schedule number:304Piece:3798Folio:31Page number:55

Bert

bertieone

1861, RG9 P2702 F29 P55, Engine? Grafton St.

 

NameAgeJames Harrison62Elizabeth Harrison58Ellen Harrison33Ann Harrison21Mary J Harrison18Joseph J Harrison28Isabella Harrison20

Bert

lynne99

Bertie one.  Thanks.  I would love to know how you found those censuses when I could not.  Thanks again Lynne