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Mystery woman’s birth location

Please can anyone help. I’ve been looking into this for over a year to no avail. I want to find out where my Great Grandmother was born. There’s limited info about her but here’s what I’ve found.
 
Adela D’Angelia born 30/07/1891 (location unknown)
Married Peter Robinson 1915 (Liverpool)
Took the name Adela Robinson 
Adela became a Widow in 1918 Peter was killed in WW1.
Adela Robinson Died 24 Dec 1953 (Liverpool) 
Adela had 3 children, Lena (Peter is her father)
Harry & Arthur (father unknown)
My grandfather is Harry Robinson born 1921
And my father is Harry Alan Robinson born 12 Feb 1948. I am Katherine Robinson. Ironically Adela kept the Robinson name hence my surname. Peter Robinson was not my great grandfather as he was killed before my grandfather was born. Adela lived at 48 Pecksniff St, Liverpool. It's where Adela was born, that is the mystery. 

 

 

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Sue H

Hi Katherine welcome to the Forum. I'm  on Ancestry at mo and starting a tree for her. Need to establish a bit of background first.

 

Davis,Prendergast,Jones,Armstrong,Monahan

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Hello Sue, what information do you require, most of it I've  put on this post and thread.

MaryA
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Hi and welcome, you have an exact date of birth, is that from her death entry or from the 1939 Register?

You haven't mentioned any censuses yet she should be found in 1901 and 1911, where does she give for a birthplace on there?

Have you checked Workhouse Records to see if she was placed there? or school records?

MaryA

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Hello, I think I got her birth date off the 1939 census.  Census wise I have only found her on the 1921 and onwards up to her death in the 50's. She remained at 48 Pecksniff street, and is buried at Toxteth cemetery. I ordered her death certificate a couple of weeks ago, still waiting for it to arrive. I can't find her on workhouse records and I've not looked into schools yet. The first document I found her on was the marriage certificate.

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Sue H

Antonio D'angeli Married Sophie Müller in 1890 Liverpool Lancashire volume 8b page 29

Antonio D'angeli died 1894 Lancashire 8b page 280

Sophie remarried 8th April 1897 Harry Haller 

 

Davis,Prendergast,Jones,Armstrong,Monahan

Sue H

Think I've found her

1901 census 

Piece:3428Folio:77Page Number:10Household Schedule Number:63

Harry Haller, Sophia Haller and Adela Haller

If Adela was Harry's child she'd be about 3/4 in 1901 as they married in 1897.....Sophie was a widow.

Adela was born in Liverpool 1891 

 

 

 

 

Davis,Prendergast,Jones,Armstrong,Monahan

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This looks very promising, and lots of new avenues to look at. The name D'Angelia on Adela's marriage certificate didn't make my search any easier. I still don't understand why there's no birth record of Adela. Thanks and I can't wait to look into this.

bertieone

Both marriages are on Ancestry.

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Sue H

Peter Robinson died 21 Mar 1918 • France and Flanders

Service Number 119587. Machine Gun Corps  Formerly 203714, Border Regt.  

I can't find Service Documents to see if there's any information on Adela 

Davis,Prendergast,Jones,Armstrong,Monahan

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I've seen Peter's Medal card and Adela's war widow pension paperwork, apart from confirming her marriage to Peter there's no other information. Thanks Sue and to everyone else for this information.
I have some more information to go on which is great. 

bertieone

1891, Name:Sofia AngeliGender:FemaleAge:30Relationship:WifeBirth Year:1861Spouse:Antonio D AngeliBirth Place:GermanyCivil Parish:LiverpoolEcclesiastical parish:St NicholasResidence Place:Liverpool, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Sophia was born in Germany and may not have known about birth registration, you may have to look towards the Liverpool, German church for baptism.

Bert

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Hello Bert, thanks for looking into this. Just to confirm: Although there's no sign of a record, it's likely that Adela was born in Liverpool. Her parents are Sophie, who was possibly born in Germany and Antonio. Does it state where Antonio was born?

 

bertieone

Antonio was born in Italy, I know Adela was born here but may have received a Baptism in a German Church in Liverpool.

Should say, if indeed they had one?

Bert

MaryA
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Census wise I have only found her on the 1921 and onwards 

Wow I wake up and they have almost done.  Just joking with you but if you have found Adela on the 1921 census, who have you bribed to see that since it's only available to the rest of us from next January laugh 

You can email the Liverpool Record Office although you can't visit at present, they may be able to look up the records for the German congregation they hold.  https://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries/archives-family-history/liverpool-arc...

MaryA

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Ha ha, my mistake it must have been the 1939. I've searched through so many documents and gone down so many rabbit holes. It's difficult to reference the right document. I'm new to all of this research but this thread has been great. 
Many thanks to everyone who has looked into this, it's a great help.

bertieone

As transcribed, Ancestry,

1911,

Name:Sopie HallarRelation to Head:WifeGender:FemaleBirth Place:Breman, Address:10 Croston Off Dale St LiverpoolMarital status:MarriedOccupation:7/6 Allowance From Harstam Pr Welk

Bert

bertieone

Possibly, Adela, 1911, as transcribed, Ancestry.

 

Name:Ada HallerAge in 1911:19Estimated Birth Year:abt 1892Relation to Head:BoarderGender:FemaleBirth Place:Berttenhead, Cheshire, EnglandCivil Address:4 St Judes Place (south)Marital status:SingleOccupation:Tailoress

Bert