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bertieone
Cottage Find

Can any kind soul find,

Guinea Bank Cottage, Seacombe, in 1851 or prior, census or directory, etc.

It could be enumerated in either Demesne St or Broughham Rd.

Thank you.

 

 

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MaryA
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Not many dwellings in Brougham Road and none of them either numbered or named.  The families are Bibby, three uninhabited, Elliot, Appleton, Arnold.

Demain Street - similarly none numbered or named.  Families Howell, Brown, Jones, Butter, Ridehalgh, Botamine, Youdh, Davies,  Uptions? Maloney, Ledder, Proctor, Rowan, Pugh, Edwards, Scully, Jones, Short, Kilroy, Gooch and Millington, Gerck? Robinson, Nolan, Grogan, Hickey, Bellis Upton, Ledder, Alice Doyle, Jones, Thomas, Richman, Griffiths, Doyle, Kennedy, Sanat? 7 uninhabited, Gough.

These were all 1851.

If any names ring bells, give me a shout.

MaryA

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Going to take a better look using your map but here is the Enumerator's walk, see if it helps any

 

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If you can figure out from your map where Mersey Street meets Demaine Street, this link  will take you to that junction. 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/CHSHO107_...

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bertieone

Thank you, Mary for your time and effort.

I'm involved in a discussion elsewhere about the naming of Guinea Gap, a water inlet you can see on the map.

Myth or Legend states that Guinea Gap got its name about 1850 when children found gold coins in the gap. You can google it for a fuller explanation.

 

The map is 1871 which is reasonably clear, I have a map around 1850 ish which is not so clear but has Guinea Bank Cottages on it, if I can find the cottage before 1850, it could prove if Gold Guinea coins were found at all in 1850.

Bert

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Although there are more houses named in 1841especially in River View and Victoria Road, there are none named in Demean Street.  No mention of Guinnea at all. 

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bertieone

Mary, thanks for the help and links,

 

Newspaper snippet mentions in 1881 the death of Robert Coppell, formally Guinea Bank Cottage, found him 1871.

The entry is unclear,  nothing prior for the cottage.

There's nothing I can see in the papers relating to gold coins being found. In 1859 at a Historical Society bash there's mention of a Earthenware crock being found further up from the well known Guinea Gap. I do wonder what it was well known for, it was just an inlet, perhaps just for its swimming activities.

Mystery continues for now.

Thanks again.  

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That's what I was trying to find, Beaufort Terrace, presumably the other end to Church Road, although that wouldn't be positive since there is a chapel in the middle of Beaufort Terrace, but I haven't been able to find Robert Coppell (or Cossel) earlier.  Where it meets with Demean Road appears to be on a different folio, which is annoying.

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bertieone

Mary,

In 1841, Robert Coppell is at May Place, same area.

I'm beginning to think the area was still under development and the cottage was built later than 1841, with so many uninhabited houses in the area and also newspaper ads for new houses in Demesne Street around 1848 ish. Perhaps proof may be on earlier maps, problem is, this map I'm not sure of its exact date, all I know is 1850 ish. 

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I've probably been down the road you have, checking as many old maps as possible.  The nearest I got is Plan of docks and warehouses proposed to be made at Birkenhead, in the County of Chester dated 1844.  Could it be possible that it was Codling Gap that was renamed Guinnea Gap, if so that might narrow the date just a little.

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:ht250491b

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bertieone

Thanks Mary,

Codling Gap and Guinea Gap existed together on later maps, Codling Gap was a track and at one end had Gap Cottage.  Codling Gap is on Bryants 1831 map, but not Guinea Gap.

Bert